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	<title>Comments on: Updates for May and June 2009 &#8211; Again</title>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
		<link>http://blog.touringplans.com/2009/03/27/updates-for-may-and-june-2009-again/comment-page-1/#comment-855</link>
		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 01:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m curious if you track actual crowds after the fact.  If so, what did the crowd level end up being the week of May 10th?  I would be interested in understanding whether we were there during a relatively slow week or busy week.  Please provide actual crowd data for that week, if possible.  Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m curious if you track actual crowds after the fact.  If so, what did the crowd level end up being the week of May 10th?  I would be interested in understanding whether we were there during a relatively slow week or busy week.  Please provide actual crowd data for that week, if possible.  Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Tony C</title>
		<link>http://blog.touringplans.com/2009/03/27/updates-for-may-and-june-2009-again/comment-page-1/#comment-854</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 20:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for the website, and all your hard work, I was there june 7th through the 14th, with two boys, 6 and 11, it was hot, we used the plans every day til noon or a bit later, went back to the hotel, swam, nap, beer. never waited in any line longer than 20 min!  I had good luck with the crowd calender, even with star wars weekend and gay days! (evenings were kids choice )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for the website, and all your hard work, I was there june 7th through the 14th, with two boys, 6 and 11, it was hot, we used the plans every day til noon or a bit later, went back to the hotel, swam, nap, beer. never waited in any line longer than 20 min!  I had good luck with the crowd calender, even with star wars weekend and gay days! (evenings were kids choice )</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://blog.touringplans.com/2009/03/27/updates-for-may-and-june-2009-again/comment-page-1/#comment-399</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 17:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No disrepct to anyone but predicting crowds at Disney is like predicting stock market and I do beleive if you a good plan with a great outllook no matter if its a 5 or 9 the feeling and result  is the same and I thank this web site for the  plan part   ,This time  it will be the first time my 4 year old will see the castle in June and that will be a 10 no matter what the crowd level will be  .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No disrepct to anyone but predicting crowds at Disney is like predicting stock market and I do beleive if you a good plan with a great outllook no matter if its a 5 or 9 the feeling and result  is the same and I thank this web site for the  plan part   ,This time  it will be the first time my 4 year old will see the castle in June and that will be a 10 no matter what the crowd level will be  .</p>
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		<title>By: Jack</title>
		<link>http://blog.touringplans.com/2009/03/27/updates-for-may-and-june-2009-again/comment-page-1/#comment-308</link>
		<dc:creator>Jack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 13:54:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife and i just returned home from a visit to WDW. We used the predictions sheets from April 21 thru 27th and found them pretty useful as far as best parks/parks to avoid were concerned. I wasnt too concerned with the numerical crowd level info because most of the time there are lots of people around so whether they are 5s, 8s, 9s, or 10s doesnt really change anything.  You still gotta get to the fastpass lines quick!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife and i just returned home from a visit to WDW. We used the predictions sheets from April 21 thru 27th and found them pretty useful as far as best parks/parks to avoid were concerned. I wasnt too concerned with the numerical crowd level info because most of the time there are lots of people around so whether they are 5s, 8s, 9s, or 10s doesnt really change anything.  You still gotta get to the fastpass lines quick!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Hazelton</title>
		<link>http://blog.touringplans.com/2009/03/27/updates-for-may-and-june-2009-again/comment-page-1/#comment-279</link>
		<dc:creator>Fred Hazelton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 18:29:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments everyone.

Parts of our model rely heavily on Disney&#039;s anouncements of park schedules and hours of operation. When Disney changes its schedules on the fly as they have done this spring it means that we have to anticipate that as well. In simple terms, a ten-hour day at the Magic Kingdom doesn&#039;t mean the same as it did in years past because Disney is ignoring their own crowd predicitons in favor of cutting back.

Our crowd calendar represents a range for the maximum wait time observed in the Magic Kingdom. On average, the actual maximum posted wait times are within the range more than 80% of the time and are within 5 minutes of the range 90% of the time. Any statistical model will be wrong a certain percentage of the time, our goal is to minimize the errors and in that respect we do better than most.

Allen, please do let us know the wait times you observe in the Magic Kingdom (and other parks) during your trip. Of particular interest to our statistical team is your use of Fastpass. If you use Fastpass at any time, take note of the time you obtained the pass and the time of the Fastpass return window. This tells us a lot about the size of the crowd.

Thanks and happy touring!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments everyone.</p>
<p>Parts of our model rely heavily on Disney&#8217;s anouncements of park schedules and hours of operation. When Disney changes its schedules on the fly as they have done this spring it means that we have to anticipate that as well. In simple terms, a ten-hour day at the Magic Kingdom doesn&#8217;t mean the same as it did in years past because Disney is ignoring their own crowd predicitons in favor of cutting back.</p>
<p>Our crowd calendar represents a range for the maximum wait time observed in the Magic Kingdom. On average, the actual maximum posted wait times are within the range more than 80% of the time and are within 5 minutes of the range 90% of the time. Any statistical model will be wrong a certain percentage of the time, our goal is to minimize the errors and in that respect we do better than most.</p>
<p>Allen, please do let us know the wait times you observe in the Magic Kingdom (and other parks) during your trip. Of particular interest to our statistical team is your use of Fastpass. If you use Fastpass at any time, take note of the time you obtained the pass and the time of the Fastpass return window. This tells us a lot about the size of the crowd.</p>
<p>Thanks and happy touring!</p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
		<link>http://blog.touringplans.com/2009/03/27/updates-for-may-and-june-2009-again/comment-page-1/#comment-278</link>
		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 17:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am also in the traveling crowd of 5/9 to 5/16.
I must say that I am really upset and surprised at this change to the crowd calendar to go from 5s-7s to solid 8s and 9s for that week.   

I&#039;m a bit skeptical of these predictions, especially since the middle of may is still the last couple weeks of school for most systems that let out early for summer.  Also, all School Spring breaks are finished, so one could assume that most children and families are focused on finishing off the school year&#039;s final weeks, rather than traveling.  

When I visit, I will be keeping note of the attractions top wait times and congestion levels, as well as any changes to the park operating hours, which I thought were a bit short to begin with.  Granted I cannot be in all four parks at the same time, but we&#039;ll see what happens.

Also, I have to say that your 2nd week of January levels were a bit off, as it seemed they did not account for the massive numbers of Brazilian tour groups, as well as college cheer competitions that were going on.   On a positive note, I thank you for the heads up with regards to the Disney Marathon weekend, but, crowd levels aside, it was a bit of a mess trying to navigate around the parks in the mornings while the marathon was going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also in the traveling crowd of 5/9 to 5/16.<br />
I must say that I am really upset and surprised at this change to the crowd calendar to go from 5s-7s to solid 8s and 9s for that week.   </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a bit skeptical of these predictions, especially since the middle of may is still the last couple weeks of school for most systems that let out early for summer.  Also, all School Spring breaks are finished, so one could assume that most children and families are focused on finishing off the school year&#8217;s final weeks, rather than traveling.  </p>
<p>When I visit, I will be keeping note of the attractions top wait times and congestion levels, as well as any changes to the park operating hours, which I thought were a bit short to begin with.  Granted I cannot be in all four parks at the same time, but we&#8217;ll see what happens.</p>
<p>Also, I have to say that your 2nd week of January levels were a bit off, as it seemed they did not account for the massive numbers of Brazilian tour groups, as well as college cheer competitions that were going on.   On a positive note, I thank you for the heads up with regards to the Disney Marathon weekend, but, crowd levels aside, it was a bit of a mess trying to navigate around the parks in the mornings while the marathon was going on.</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
		<link>http://blog.touringplans.com/2009/03/27/updates-for-may-and-june-2009-again/comment-page-1/#comment-252</link>
		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 21:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, we are attending the same time as Marilyn, the week of May 9.  What exactly has happened that has changed this week to one of 5 ratings to 8&#039;s and 9&#039;s???  Any thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, we are attending the same time as Marilyn, the week of May 9.  What exactly has happened that has changed this week to one of 5 ratings to 8&#8217;s and 9&#8217;s???  Any thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Lori</title>
		<link>http://blog.touringplans.com/2009/03/27/updates-for-may-and-june-2009-again/comment-page-1/#comment-250</link>
		<dc:creator>Lori</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, I&#039;m really upset as well!  I decided to pull my kids out of school so we could visit during a week of crowd predictions of 5 on most of the days of our stay!  Now I see these predictions are 8&#039;s and 9&#039;s.  This absolutely impacts our trip.  I&#039;m very disappointed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, I&#8217;m really upset as well!  I decided to pull my kids out of school so we could visit during a week of crowd predictions of 5 on most of the days of our stay!  Now I see these predictions are 8&#8217;s and 9&#8217;s.  This absolutely impacts our trip.  I&#8217;m very disappointed.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff McBrayer</title>
		<link>http://blog.touringplans.com/2009/03/27/updates-for-may-and-june-2009-again/comment-page-1/#comment-107</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff McBrayer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any updates for the end of May and beginning of June?  I&#039;m starting the Disney adventure on May 27th - ending June 4th. Thank you guys!  Your guide has ALWAYS saved our butt on these trips...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any updates for the end of May and beginning of June?  I&#8217;m starting the Disney adventure on May 27th &#8211; ending June 4th. Thank you guys!  Your guide has ALWAYS saved our butt on these trips&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 18:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having visited Disney World during mid-March, I was surprised to see higher-than-expected crowds - the fact that your estimates in hindsight were 9&#039;s and 10&#039;s instead of the originally-posted 6&#039;s or 7&#039;s confirmed my suspicions.

When planning our holiday I noticed that Disney changed their park hours more than once in the time leading up to our stay, and then they even adjusted the hours &amp; parades/fireworks for the MK merely a few days in advance. Clearly even Disney was not expecting as many guests.

So I agree that continual adjustments based on all available known factors is the best approach. Perhaps it would be good to have the ability to show changes to the calendar if/when they are made. Had I known that the parks would be more crowded, I would have prepared slightly differently. And yet, despite higher crowds, we never waited longer than 20 minutes for anything, by following good touring plan principles.

Just because the park is going to be more crowded than you might have first thought doesn&#039;t mean you can&#039;t beat those crowds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having visited Disney World during mid-March, I was surprised to see higher-than-expected crowds &#8211; the fact that your estimates in hindsight were 9&#8217;s and 10&#8217;s instead of the originally-posted 6&#8217;s or 7&#8217;s confirmed my suspicions.</p>
<p>When planning our holiday I noticed that Disney changed their park hours more than once in the time leading up to our stay, and then they even adjusted the hours &amp; parades/fireworks for the MK merely a few days in advance. Clearly even Disney was not expecting as many guests.</p>
<p>So I agree that continual adjustments based on all available known factors is the best approach. Perhaps it would be good to have the ability to show changes to the calendar if/when they are made. Had I known that the parks would be more crowded, I would have prepared slightly differently. And yet, despite higher crowds, we never waited longer than 20 minutes for anything, by following good touring plan principles.</p>
<p>Just because the park is going to be more crowded than you might have first thought doesn&#8217;t mean you can&#8217;t beat those crowds.</p>
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